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                Info-ParaNet Newsletters   Volume I  Number 338

                          Thursday, December 13th 1990

Today's Topics:

                    Interview with Jean-Pierre Petit - Part 4
                    Interview with Jean-Pierre Petit - Part 5
                     Interview with Jean-Pierre Petit Part 6
                   Interview with Jean-Pierre Petit Conclusion
                                 Phenom 12-7-90
                             Prof. Jean-Pierre Petit
                             Phoenix Skeptics cont.
                     Re: Omni Magazine - Special Ufo Edition
                             Prof. Jean-pierre Petit
                      Re: Omni Magazine - Special UFO issue
                                     ParaNet
                           Re: Prof. Jean-Pierre Petit
                      Re: Omni Magazine - Special Ufo Issue

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Interview with Jean-Pierre Petit - Part 4
Date: 10 Dec 90 20:47:00 GMT

>>>Petit Interview - Part 4 Cont.<<<

A:    France has been the scene of a disinformation campaign
which has lasted for 13 years under the name GEPAN.

Q:  We found enough documents and testimony in your book  to
support this opinion.  You show very well that GEPAN
functioned exactly like the famous Condon Commission created
in the USA at the end of the 1960s, and whose only aim was
to misdirect American public opinion on the UFO reports.

A:   By combining the activities of GEPAN with the low level
of communications from those in France who call themselves
"ufologists" (a term that does not say much) one has

created  an  absolutely  total lack of interest in the media
and in particular in the  research  community, toward  UFOs:
This explains the lack of attention to the Belgian wave here
in France.  Was the Belgian wave of sightings so
exceptional?  Since November 29, 1989 there have  been  tens
of  thousands of sightings, of which nearly 1,000 were close
observations from distances of around 200 meters which  have
been the object of inquiries by the Belgian National Police.
On  just  the night of November 29, 1989 between 5:30 pm and
9:00 pm, 30 different groups of witnesses  (Including  three
police  patrols and customs officials) observed the same two
objects.  These witnesses were located within a  rectangular
area  about  25  km  by 15 km, between Liege and Eupen.  The
similarity in their testimony allowed us to reconstruct  the
trajectory  of  the  UFO.  An interesting detail: they all
reported very slow movement.  A witness gave this precise
description:  "I  could  have followed it by walking."  In
particular, the object was seen in daylight at close range
by a Belgian soldier working in the weather service who saw
the object doing a leisurely turn over the  village  square.
We  also  number  among the witnesses a Major in the Belgian
Army and a theoretical physicist, Professor Brenig, who is a
colleague of Professor Prigogine.

Q:  Where could those extraterrestrial vehicles come from?
A voyage over hundreds of light years seems inconceivable.

A:    In  the  vision  of  the  universe  based on classical
physics, this objection is a very serious one.  But  how  is
the universe constructed?  What geometry does it have?
Given the classical view, we live in a  hyperspace  of  four
dimensions.  In 1967 the Soviet physicist Andrei Sakharov
suggested that there is no "a" universe, but rather two
universes coexisting.  Which is to say, one universe
consisting of ordinary matter, and another consisting of
anti-matter.  This twin version is for me the first step
toward a theory permitting us to imagine moving through
great distances in the cosmos.  One way to visualize the
twin universes is to think of a cloth and its lining.  The
second  step  consists  of imagining that the twin universes
can somehow communicate with each other.  I  am  doing  some
theoretical  work  in  order to develop a mathematical model
for the transfer  of  matter  through  hyperspace  from  one
universe to another universe.

Q:    You  mean  to  say that a "hyperspatial" vehicle could
suddenly and  brutally  find  itself  transferred  with  its
passengers to another part of the universe?

A:  More precisely, it could be an exchange between the same
equivalent volumes of space, one belonging to the "cloth"
and the other to its "lining."  For a witness, this would be
perceived  as a rough dematerialization.  The machine would
make its trip through this twin space from its planet
arriving at a place in the proximity of Earth.

Q:    But  to make this trip, won't there always be an equal
number of light years of distance to travel?

A:  Yes, if the "cloth and the lining" always  behaved  very
nicely, superimposing one upon the other with perfect
smoothness.  But this can't always be the case in  practice.
In order to try to make some very abstract mathematical
ideas simple, what we in the technical jargon call
"fluctuation  of gauge," I will continue to use the image of
the cloth and Its lining.  The American Cosmologist  Misner
has  considered  the case of a very turbulent cosmic fabric,
both folded upon itself and creased.  From time to time  the
cloth will be perfectly flat, but the lining creased or
puckered.  In such an instance, the distance from  one  part
of  the  twin  universe  to  the  other  will be drastically
shortened, making a voyage realistically short.  Another
situation  could  arise in which the voyage would be
lengthened by a factor of 10 or 100 or 1,000, making  the
voyage even less practical than it is now.

Q:    So  it  is this phenomenon that explains the otherwise
incomprehensible wave of UFOs? They would take advantage  of
the moment when the trip would be the shortest?

A:   By my way of thinking, the UFO waves would be tied to a
"turbulence in the gauge" of the universe.  The voyage would
only be possible when the "meteocosmic" conditions are good.
The  visitors  would  have  limited time to make their
investigation on our planet and would have to reembark
precipitously in order to avoid the closing of the hole
in  hyperspace, otherwise  they would be stuck here on Earth
for a period of time that could be very long.  This  way  of
creasing  the  cloth of space like the folds of an accordion
would not necessarily be  isotropic, and  I  strongly  doubt
that  it is:  when the lining is creased in one direction or
plane, the cloth is stretched in  the  perpendicular  plane.
Different   types   of  extraterrestrials  originating  from
planets in different locations in  the  heavens  would  thus
manage  to live and operate without ever meeting each other,
at least until they meet  on  the  Earth.  It  is  quite  an
amusing  idea  that  the  Earth  might  be used as a sort of
cosmic mailbox by extraterrestrial entities, who would  find
this as the means to communicate with each other!

--
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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Interview with Jean-Pierre Petit - Part 5
Date: 10 Dec 90 20:48:00 GMT

>>>>Petit Interview - Part 5 Continued<<<<

Q:    How  do  you  explain  the lack of contact between the
visiting extraterrestrials and us?

A:    When  two  civilizations  that  are   very   different
culturally and technologically meet, history teaches us that
with  rare  exceptions  (such  as  Japan)  the more advanced
literally dissolves the other.  The introduction of exterior
knowledge is comparable to a viral attack.  In the  majority
of  cases, this  parasitic  information totally disorganizes
the infected social body, which dies.

Q:   From the point of view of the alien visitors, this lack
of contact with us may be due to their behavior as concerned
ethnologists  who  wish  to  avoid  destroying the object of
their studies.  But in your book you insist that there Is  a
phenomenon  shared  by the majority of terrestrial that you
call the "Immunological reflex."

A: Yes.  It is a rejection, pure and simple.  There are  two
possible  ways  to  react  when we receive information which
challenges our most deeply held values. The first is  simply
to   reject.  We  say  to  ourselves:  It  is  wrong, it is
impossible.  The   second   evasion   Is   very   subtle. We
"folklorize"    the    dissonant    Information.  And   this
folklorization can be accomplished In two ways.  One way  is
to treat the subject with humor or ridicule, and it leads to
themes  such as ET (the movie) or "Little green men," (which
have never been reported  by  witnesses).  The  other  takes
life in a more dramatic way, such as the movie "The Creature
from Outer Space," or television series like The Invaders.n
The  "immunologic reaction" of scientists is negation of the
phenomenon, pure and simple.

Q:  Have you thought of a scenario depicting the  result  of
direct contact between us and extraterrestrials?

A:    Let's  imagine  that  one  of  these famous triangular
machines that was seen in 90% of the cases In Belgium  lands
in a field.  What is going to happen?  The owner of the farm
will  call  the  police.  Then  the  police  will  call  the
military.  They will send observers, who will report to  the
government.  As  a  simple precautionary measure, the police
will cordon off the area in a radius of 100 meters.  In  the
hours  that  follow, curious  members  of  the  public  will
arrive, crating  a  fantastic   traffic   jam.  Within   the
government,-there  is  a crisis meeting of the Cabinet.  The
members of the Cabinet hesitate, being unsure of what course
of action  to  take.  If  the  machine  finally  takes  off,
everything  returns to normal order.  But If It stays there,
who, exactly, must establish contact, and  how?  Would  that
be  the concern of the Ministry for National Defense, or the
Ministry for Foreign Affairs, or the Tourist Office, or  all
three  simultaneously?  While  these  grave  discussions are
taking  place  In  the  halls  of  government, thousands  of
journalists   have   set  up  camp  In  the  acres  of  land
surrounding the landing site.  Along the security perimeter,
cameramen are elbow to elbow trying to catch  the  scoop  of
the  Century.  On all the Little access roads the columns of
the curious cross each other on the way to the new center of
pilgrimage.  In the opposite direction you can  see  a  true
Exodus, with  multitudes  fleeing.  Uncontrolled rumors race
through  the  planet  in  every   direction, Like   electric
discharges.  The  area  of  the  landing site Is filled with
entrepreneurs and hucksters, seeking to make a  profit  from
the   situation.  The  Vatican organizes a colloquium to
determine  if Christ  died  for the aliens, too.  Little by
little the knowledge of the alien presence filters into  the
public  consciousness  and  produces  a  nationwide state of
shock.  People leave  their  work.  The  professor  and  his
students  question  each  other.  The  astronomers  ask  one
another If it is still worth the trouble to look Into  their
telescopes.  The stock market goes crazy.

Q:    It  is  truly  a  catastrophic  scenario  that you are
proposing.

A:  I simply wanted  to  make  you  realize  the  incredible
impact  that  this  alien presence would provoke even before
contact had taken place.  Our society  Is  not  prepared  to
meet  face  to  face with such an event, and this applies to
every country, not just France.  And the thick silence  that
officialdom  has  maintained has not made the situation more
tolerable. What Is actually happening on  this  planet?  Our
societies   doubt  more  and  more  the  validity  of  their
political systems  and  ideologies.  One  feels  that  whole
populations  are  ready to throw themselves toward the first
"savior," the first demagogue, who appears on the scene.

Q:  Listening to you, it would seem more in the interest  of
public order if this contact could be avoided.

A:   In fact, the event in Belgium is a contact.  Everything
happened as if the machine that was intercepted on the night
of  March  30-31, 1990  had  patiently  waited, openly   and
deliberately, for  the  radar  to have locked on. This  real
event, which  is  very  difficult  to   contest, marks   the
transition from the hypothetical visitation by aliens to the
real  visitation. It  can  force  movement  within  both the
political and scientific  worlds, and  unblock  imaginations
and  unleash  creative new solutions.  And I am not speaking
merely of scientific and  technological aspects.  When  man
realizes  that  he Is not alone In the universe, this simple
fact  will be sufficient motivation to create  philosophical
and ethical  ideas  without  precedent  in our Intellectual
history.

--
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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Interview with Jean-Pierre Petit Part 6
Date: 10 Dec 90 20:49:00 GMT

>>>>>Petit Interview Part 6 Cont<<<<<

Q:  As one who is  firmly  convinced  of the  existence  of
extraterrestrial  civilizations, you  must  be thrilled by a
project  such  as  SETI  (Search   for   Extra   Terrestrial
Intelligence), whose  aim  It  is  to communicate with other
worlds.

A-  The SETI program consists of trying to receive with  the
help  of  antennas  radio  signals  sent  by other planetary
civilizations.  So It turns out to be necessary to paint the
antenna at the source of the signals, but by  definition  we
don't  know  the  source  or location.  As of now, about 200
stars have been listened  to  In  this  way.  Na  luck.  The
members  of a radio astronomy symposium that met recently in
the Alps  calculated  that  for  us  to have  a  chance   f
intercepting  one  signal  we would be required to listen to
200,000 stars.  This would require a  network  of  listening
devices  so  large  that the cost would be astronomical  The
problem is that the radio waves move at the speed of  Light
When  we consider the vast distance across space, this is an
extremely slow speed.  And incidentally, if we are  ever  to
intercept  a  message, the  signal would have to be directed
very precisely toward us.  The fact is, Our antennas are not
able to detect signals sent from  a  simple  omnidirectional
antenna tens of light years distant, such as for example the
transmitters  for the French radio stations.  All this makes
the issue of a project such as SETI extremely problematical
it is highly probable that  the  program, now  called  "Mega
SETi," will end up as a failure.  But on the other hand  the
scientists  are  violently  hostile  to any appropriation of
money to benefit research on UFOs, a subject which  they  do
not  consider  serious.  Yet  the  research  done on the UFO
problem  has  already  borne  fruit  --  contrary   to   the
experience with SETi.  This is certainly a paradox

Q:    The  Belgian  wave  of sightings is over, and we can't
predict either when or where the next wave  will  occur   So
how, according to you, should UFO research be organized?

A:    Obviously, there  is  long term work to undertake.  We
will use the Mhd model to make concrete  experimental  tests
of  the  ideas of the theoreticians.  On the other hand  the
UFO phenomenon forces us to place into question all  of  our
ideas  about the universe, and even physics itself   it is a
fantastic  "thought  experiment,"  a   true   challenge   to
research, and it will be necessary to create within the CNRS
a  UFO  study  group  consisting  of high level researchers
mathematicians, physicists, chemists, biochemists,
psychologists, sociologists and  so  forth.  in  conjunction
with that, we will need to build a real UFO "trap," not only
to  capture  one, but to gather the knowledge that will leak
out.  The methodology in Belgium  consisted  of  filling  an
airplane  with  every sort of apparatus, and having it ready
to take off to study  the  UFO.  This  happened  during  the
sightings On the Easter weekend, but, unfortunately, the UFO
failed  to  cooperate and join the meeting.  But this method
should be systematically carried out throughout the world.

Q:  Aren't you interested in the marks found on  the  ground
at the site of alleged landings?

A:   Yes, of course!  During the last 35 years some private,
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non-profit groups,  to whom we must give  recognition, have
with  pitifully meager means and in a totally honest manner
gathered a minimal collection of information about landings.
For these people the creation of GEPAN had been  an  immense
hope, but they were quickly disappointed.

     Within  CNRS  there  should be created a quick response
team to investigate landing traces using all known means of
analysis, physical  or  biochemical, and  to  simultaneously
mobilize psychologists specializing in the interrogation  of
witnesses.

     We  know  of  only one case of ground traces  connected
with the close range observation of a UFO landing, which has
been subjected to serious study: the case in Trans en
Provence, thanks to the work of Professor Bounias of INRA
who incidentally has never been particularly  interested  in
the   UFO   phenomenon.  This   quite complete study  has
demonstrated  the  existence  of traumatization of the
vegetation, remarkably  well correlated with the distance of
the traces from the point of the landing.  The cause of the
trauma remains unknown to this day.  This type of study
should have been carried out long ago.  Other than
biochemistry, there  exist  various  other means of physical
analysis which should be done  systematically. An analysis
with  magnetic  nuclear resonance, for example  would permit
us to know the nature of the magnetic field which irradiated
the ground.  The problem is simple:  do we or do we not want
to discover the key to the mystery of the UFOs?

     The cost of the creation and maintenance of a team of
persons  capable  of  responding  to  all reports of alleged
landing spots would be relatively modest  in  comparison to
the  general research budget.  Especially if this team could
be reinforced by a volunteer network of ufologists.  These
volunteers  could  receive  special  training and work in
cooperation  with the police to perform preliminary
investigation to screen out the false reports.  If we would
trust those people with a minimum of equipment, they  could
take  measures to preserve and protect the site prior to the
arrival  of  the  researchers, and   could   also   make   a
preliminary written report.

--
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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Interview with Jean-Pierre Petit Conclusion
Date: 10 Dec 90 20:49:00 GMT

>>>>>>>Petit Interview Conclusion<<<<<<

Q:   In  actuality, it  appears that we are waiting for the
scientific community to mobilize?

A:  In this case, one researcher has  learned  very  quickly
the importance of the problem.  He is Andrei Sakharov   This
is how he ended his Nobel Prize acceptance speech:

     "Thousands of years ago, the human tribe suffered great
privations in its struggle for life.  Even then it was not
only important to know how to handle a club, but also to
have the ability to think intelligently, to take into

consideration the collective  knowledge and experience
hoarded by the tribe, and to develop the basis of
cooperation with other tribes. Today, the human race must
confront an analogous ordeal.  Several other civilizations
could exist in the infinity of space, among which might be
societies more established and wise and more 'accomplished'
than ours. I support a cosmological hypothesis in Which the
development of the universe repeats itself over and over,
infinitely, but following certain essential characteristics.
These other alien civilizations, some of whom are 'highly
accomplished, ' are inscribed an infinite number of times on
the pages 'preceding' and 'following' us in the Book of the
Universe."  This was written in 1975.
                             END

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Phenom 12-7-90
Date: 11 Dec 90 03:08:00 GMT


 > Greetings fellow observers!  What was it that the early morning crowd
 > saw this morning at 0552 hrs near Plymouth, Michigan?  One eyewitness
 > reported to a local allnews radio station, that he saw a bluish-green
 > oval shaped object, emitting sparks(?) and in a crash-like trajectory.
 > He said he thought at first that it might have been a helicopter
 > crashing, but said the shape (or something) changed his mind.  Sounded
 > pretty shook up. Later I saw a ten second sound bite on CH7 which did
 > not elaborate.  No news re: any debris or ground indentations.
 >  Anyone hear anything?

I have a very sketchy report that it was an unexpected Russian rocket
re-entry.

Jim

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Prof. Jean-Pierre Petit
Date: 11 Dec 90 03:13:00 GMT


 > I have just uploaded PETIT.UFO to Alpha. I scanned the file into the
 > system, and I will be interested in comments. This could prove to be a
 > very significant addition to the data base. Petit is no lightweight
 > scientific type, the man carries a very heavy reputation in Europe.

I have just read the file, and IF what you say of his reputation is true, then
it is a significant interview. However, I have some nagging doubts...it seems
we've been this way before. For one thing, his science sounds rather....well,
Lazarish, to coin a phrase. I mean, I have no science background, yet I found
his concepts simple to understand...too simple. Simply suck the built-up air
molecules through the craft, creating a vacuum in front of it, hence no sonic
boom? That sounds like a schoolboy idea. Can anyone out there tell me if this
concept has some validity? For another, he seemed to talk in absolutes a great
deal more than I am comfortable hearing from a scientist. I will be interested
in hearing others' comments on this file.

Jim

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Phoenix Skeptics cont.
Date: 11 Dec 90 03:17:00 GMT


 > Just as an aside, just what do these folks think all this is?

They are now willing to admit that they don't know, but since its very
unlikely that it is ETs, they don't think its anything to worry themselves
about. I know, I know, but that's almost word for word what one of them told
me.

 > I do not
 > recall anyone being completely dogmatic that these things are ET, but
 > how can they refute that these objects are still flying about,
 > apparently immune to current state of the art Military aircraft?

They don't refute it. They just don't care. (And there is a subliminal message
that they don't care because they know someday Phil Klass will explain it
all.)

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From: [e-mail] (Scott Savage)
Subject: Re: Omni Magazine - Special Ufo Edition
Date: 11 Dec 90 03:56:00 GMT

Paul,

  I've got an original article on the EFF deal.  The book was (is) a
supplement to a cyberpunk role-playing game.  The author credits a
group of hackers with supplying information, sort of the way an
attorney will use an expert witness.  The investigation was pretty
ghastly - the guy lost major amounts of equipment as well as the drafts
of his manuscript - all on speculation.

  If you want, I can dig up the article and forward it to you.  OMNI
didn't do much justice to the case.

--Scott
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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Prof. Jean-pierre Petit
Date: 11 Dec 90 05:59:00 GMT


 > Simply suck the built-up air molecules through the
 > craft, creating a vacuum in front of it, hence no
 > sonic boom? That sounds like a schoolboy idea. Can
 > anyone out there tell me if this concept has some
 > validity? For another, he seemed to talk in absolutes
 > a great deal more than I am comfortable hearing from a
 > scientist. I will be interested in hearing others'
 > comments on this file.

I talked with Roger Black voice tonight.  He has not read
the file yet, but he states that this idea has been around
for a while now.  It seems to be viable.  Anyway, let's see
what else comes through.

Mike

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From: conncoll.bitnet![e-mail]
Subject: Re: Omni Magazine - Special UFO issue
Date: 11 Dec 90 16:54:22 GMT

From: [e-mail]

Mike Corbin writes:

+ Thank you for the update, Mike.  I purchased a copy of it, and was not
+ too impressed with the superficial nature of the coverage.  What does
+ others think about it?

I borrowed it from a friend, mainly to see the crop circle photos, which
indeed were interesting.  I thought the accompanying article was relatively
unbiased, but still in keeping with the magazine's current penchant for
'Lite'(tm) journalism.  Some of the other things I read were pretty silly;
my reading pleasure was consummated by the thoroughly incredible 'Are you an
alien?'  questionnaire.  Why _The Weekly World News_ hasn't picked up on
this I can't imagine.  It truly saddens me to see this type of thing in what
was once a very good periodical - I was a charter subscriber way back when,
and the first several years were solid and thought-provoking.  Then, I don't
know what happened...

Paul Faeder writes:

+  The other interesting and thought provoking and slightly frightening article
+ was about the Electronic Frontier Foundation. For those that haven't read the
+ article, the US Secret Service suspected a computer software games
+ manufacturer of producing a game that was 'a handbook for computer crime'
+ (supposedly said by one of the agents). They proceeded to confiscate
+ computers and software. All of this is based on suspicion. The frightening
+ part is in wondering how far the Govt. can go with this; not only in this
+ incident but what about computer networks and BBS's?

I didn't see this article, however I have read about this elsewhere.  I have
a copy of an excellent article by John Perry Barlow published in _The Whole
Earth Review_ which deals with government involvement in 'cyberspace' (aka
'the nets') in general and this case in particular.  I have attempted to
send a copy to Paul, but it bounced as it was too large.  If appropriate,
perhaps it should be posted in several parts for upload so as to be easy on
the nets (moderator?).

Cheers!  - Gregg

Gregg TeHennepe       | SysAdm, Academic Computing          | Yes, but this
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From: [e-mail] (Don Ecker)
Subject: ParaNet
Date: 11 Dec 90 01:36:00 GMT


 > My thanks to Don Ecker who has demonstrated his dedication
 > to ParaNet by uploading the first text file scanned with a
 > Scanman Optical Scanner and using OCR software.  This

Mike, you are welcome!

 > Don will be scanning a lot of text files in the future for
 > ParaNet.

Mike, does this mean I have a new job??   <Grin>


Don

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Delton)
Subject: Re: Prof. Jean-Pierre Petit
Date: 12 Dec 90 04:43:00 GMT

I had the same feeling when reading Petit's suggestion on sucking up
the air molecules.  For one thing, it's hardly a new idea.  I think it
was first suggested back in the fifties that one way around a sonic
boom and surface heating was to make the surface of the wing porous
enough that the air could be sucked thru it.  Problem is that you have
to suck one heckof a lot of air into the wing and then what do you do
with it???  It has to go out somewhere.   IF the ET's have a way to
avoid sonic booms I would think it would be a little more esoteric then
egg sucking wings.
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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Re: Omni Magazine - Special Ufo Issue
Date: 11 Dec 90 08:41:00 GMT


 > From: [e-mail]

You can send it to our site: [e-mail]
                             ^^^^^^ (I changed this to me (Cyro) so if it needs)
                              (splitting, I can do so. -Cyro)

Cyro will know what to do with it.

Thank you.

Mike

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